mjg59: Spot the difference

Matthew Garrett (

mjg59) wrote,
@ 2007-12-03 20:06:00

Entry tags:

advogato, planet, ubuntu

Spot the difference
Before takedown request:

After takedown request:

MPAA don't fuck with my shit.

(And yes, I did attempt to contact them by email and phone before resorting to the more obnoxious behaviour of contacting the ISP. No reply to my email, and the series of friendly receptionists I got bounced between had no idea who would be responsible but promised me someone would call back. No joy there, either.)

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	Congrats (Anonymous) 2007-12-03 08:25 pm UTC (link)
	Well done on your first high profile GPL enforcement - and I can't imagine a better recipient. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Congrats (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 06:08 pm UTC (link)
	I'd make sure the old link to download the software is dead (that the software was actually removed from their server). Otherwise the crankshafts may just send colleges a direct download link. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	context (Anonymous) 2007-12-03 08:32 pm UTC (link)
	Do you realize that this post contains no context whatsoever for anyone who isn't already familiar with..... whatever it is you're talking about? I found this because it was on Planet Ubuntu's RSS feed. I would like to know what you're talking about. I'll watch the comments on this page. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: context pseudomonas 2007-12-03 08:34 pm UTC (link)
	Google did me what the product in question was, but I'm not sure why it was taken down. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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Assuming you're talking about the DMCA/GPL Source Takedown
(Anonymous)
2007-12-03 08:47 pm UTC (link)

If I try to contact you but cannot, it's okay to be childlike and make obnoxious comments towards you? Not very Ubuntu of you to curse at another because you don't get what you want kid.

What are you on about? They took down the software as they were apparently required to. The fact that they left up the literature, well I'm not sure you can do anything about that as it was not created with GPL code. You might find some copyright infringements, but that's a different issue.

They complied with the take down notice. You're not happy so you're going to call sour grapes to it all. Grow Up. Sorry you're not happy with the win here.

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	Re: Assuming you're talking about the DMCA/GPL Source Takedown mjg59 2007-12-03 08:52 pm UTC (link)
	What makes you think I'm unhappy? I'm entirely happy. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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geraldoborodia, 2008-08-10 10:54 pm UTC

	Good Work Mr. Garrett (Anonymous) 2007-12-03 09:53 pm UTC (link)
	I seen Matthew doing a happy dance, so I know he was celebrating :) And ya, don't expect a phone or email reply from them at all, we tried contacting them in the past via the university for a bs stunt they tried to pull. nixternal (Reply to this) (Thread)

Re: Good Work Mr. Garrett
(Anonymous)
2007-12-04 03:39 pm UTC (link)

I've had similar run-ins myself as well as seeing friends mistaken identified (the joy of IP addresses in large apartment complexes!).

The MPAA's legal ethics must have been written by the slimiest lawyers around. Lord knows the MPAA has shown time and time again they think they can get around the law simply because.

Every time crap like this happens, and it seems to be getting worse as time goes on, I'm impressed nobody has done anything terribly stupid.

ie, the lady who took a whack against Comcast (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/17/AR2007101702359.html)?

-Phil

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	Language (Anonymous) 2007-12-03 09:54 pm UTC (link)
	Congrats for the win, but do you really think, "don't fuck with my shit" is appropriate for Planet Ubuntu? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Language mjg59 2007-12-03 10:00 pm UTC (link)
	Yes? I certainly can't think of any real reason that it would be inappropriate. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	sahara_beara 2007-12-03 11:29 pm UTC (link)
	I do think it's a little fishy that the front page says "MPA" rather than "MPAA". The pdfs do say MPAA... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	mjg59 2007-12-03 11:48 pm UTC (link)
	MPA (Reply to this) (Parent)

	cesium12 2007-12-04 02:12 am UTC (link)
	Oh dear, codon.org.uk is getting slashdotted... (Reply to this)

	takedown (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 02:14 am UTC (link)
	thanks for taking the time do ge that done. one for the peeps yeah. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	nataliejenox 2008-07-11 02:22 am UTC (link)
	Perhaps they don’t see the benefit or don’t want to take the time. That’s understandable, too. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	phyrexian 2007-12-04 02:17 am UTC (link)
	High fucking five! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	epichaerecacia 2007-12-04 03:40 am UTC (link)
	3BB 5/5 Protection from white. When comes into play, lose 5 life. Sorry. The nerdage just kicked in when I saw your picture. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	Rock on (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 02:30 am UTC (link)
	Great work! I only wish things like this could happen more frequently. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	garlandtaber 2008-08-06 04:12 am UTC (link)
	Of course new templates would be great as would more themes and more frequent updates but I understand that time is always precious. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Protect What Is Yours ALWAYS (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 02:50 am UTC (link)
	Sweet deal man, been using Ubuntu for awhile since Hoary, and its good to see you guys protecting your shit. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	dwightheryck 2008-08-10 09:15 pm UTC (link)
	After you drive it for awhile you can smell hot coolant, but you can't see where it's coming from. No big deal for an around town ride. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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(Anonymous)
2007-12-04 03:04 am UTC (link)

awesome! I'm sure that the 'don't fuck with my shit' line is going to get you lots of heat, but it's a moot point. To be more precise, it's a red herring. Instead of arguing about the spirit of the GPL protected by modern copyright law (a point that another poster above missed), the draconian measures of the MPAA, the idea of strict liability as it applies to copyrights in general; there are those who will think that the CoC or Ubuntu is more important than the content of you post. I disagree. This OS, movement, company, etc. is about sharing information and humanity towards others. There is no similar idea in the MPAA's actions. I support your actions, your words, your stance and your distribution. Thank you.

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	zewrestler 2007-12-04 03:15 am UTC (link)
	Great Work (Reply to this)

	Who cares (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 03:20 am UTC (link)
	Seriously? I don't nor does the Slashdotters posting here except the rabid, fanatical F/OSS fanboys. This is not a victory. Silly kids, go trim your neck beards and worship Stallman some more. (Reply to this) (Thread)

Re: Who cares
(Anonymous)
2007-12-04 03:44 am UTC (link)

>Seriously?
No, this is all just a joke. Really.

>I don't nor does the Slashdotters posting here except the rabid, fanatical F/OSS fanboys.
How can you assert that? Did you do a survey?

>This is not a victory.
Then tell us what it is.

>Silly kids, go trim your neck beards and worship Stallman some more.
How do you know "kids" are responsible for this? What backs up your suggestion that if they are kids that they are silly? How old do you think Matthew Garrett is? Go google it.

Maybe you should take a chill pill and leave this topic alone if you aren't interested in it. You are making baseless assertions just to try and stir shit.

You come across as a dumb ass.

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Re: Who cares - (Anonymous), 2007-12-04 04:02 am UTC

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cloakable, 2007-12-04 08:23 pm UTC

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You, sir, appear to be a card carrying member... - (Anonymous), 2007-12-04 04:54 pm UTC

	(Anonymous) 2007-12-04 03:22 am UTC (link)
	You are the change we all wish we were in the world. (Reply to this)

	Does the... lost_strummer 2007-12-04 03:47 am UTC (link)
	ISP then demand the file be removed from MPAA owned servers, or they loose, what? connection? Is that what happens when an ISP receives a complaint? (Reply to this) (Thread)

Re: Does the...
(Anonymous)
2007-12-04 02:46 pm UTC (link)

You can't be sure that the MPAA owns the server, or they are renting the space there as part of their agreement with the ISP to host the site. Regardless, it doesn't matter. If an ISP gets a DCMA takedown notice, they have to inform the site's owner that they have 30 days (could be less), to remove the offending content, or the ISP is required to disconnect the server from the line until remedied.

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Get it right..
(Anonymous)
2007-12-04 03:47 am UTC (link)

I think you'll find "they" DID take down the content, not their ISP. Perhaps their content service provider, but an ISP deleting a hosted file doesn't edit web pages and remove links..

In actual fact, all they've done is taken down their content until such time as they can fully comply with the GPL requests. Some win. It'll be going back up again and then what?

It sounds like you were a little hasty in jumping from emails and phone calls to ISP take-down notices. Understand - when you make a complaint, a business has to do an investigation before they can act (like, removing a link). After their internal investigation discovered they were indeed in breach of GPL, they removed the link THEMSELVES.

In retrospect, your complaint to their ISP probably had absolutely nothing to do with it. You're banking on coincidental timing. Remmeber - the fact this was a GPL breach was reported long before you turned up on the scene.

GG loser.

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	Re: Get it right.. (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 04:10 am UTC (link)
	Why are all these media company employees posting anonymously here to try to make it seem like rational people think this way? (inre: abusing our justice system to intimidate people and try to influence social norms in gen y) Plus... how lame to post anony... oh wait. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	viscus 2007-12-04 04:12 am UTC (link)
	It's a beautiful thing to see the MPAA's own drafted legislation (DMCA) to be used against them. Good work, my friend. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	although ... (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 10:13 am UTC (link)
	it is not elegant weapon fot uncivilised times ... :-) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Congratulations! (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 04:33 am UTC (link)
	It is interesting to see that MPAA apparently believes they are above the law, but that it still is possible to make a difference, as mr Garrett did! (Reply to this)

	good for you! (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 05:22 am UTC (link)
	i think mjg59 deserves to boast about his victory. not very 'planet ubutu'. spare me! he set the pace, we all just try to keep up! (Reply to this)

	do you pay by the word? (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 05:51 am UTC (link)
	Because you don't give any details. I know, I should pay close attention to your life and activities, and I'm sorry I don't, but for god's sake would a paragraph giving some background kill you? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: do you pay by the word? afree87 2007-12-04 05:58 am UTC (link)
	What do you think this is, LiveJournalism? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Re: do you pay by the word? - (Anonymous), 2007-12-04 07:23 pm UTC

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lionsphil, 2007-12-04 11:27 pm UTC

	This needs press. (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 06:27 am UTC (link)
	Since there was a good amount of press regarding the MPAA toolkit, don't you think that you should contact the press regarding the violation of GPL by the MPAA with their toolkit? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: This needs press. http://openid.aol.com/ThreeDee912 2007-12-04 11:43 pm UTC (link)
	It has already been Dugg, /.ed, and Stumbled. The press should pick up on it soon. (Reply to this) (Parent)

we're not gonna take it. NO! we're not gonna take it!
(Anonymous)
2007-12-04 07:13 am UTC (link)

ROFLcopter!

This news is sweet!

I'm squeezing my ears while squeaking out a happy meow before I gargle more flat 7up and high five the monitor of this blog entry and sneeze imaginary dragons from each nostril one at a time and dance like there's no tomorrow because you rulez...

and for those katz showin hate on ya cuz of dah "language" on the "planet", who gives a fuck, were it not the language it would be something else they would nitpick, fsck em if they can't appreciate it.

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	Re: we're not gonna take it. NO! we're not gonna take it! (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 11:17 pm UTC (link)
	+1 The Presidents of the United States of America (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Grats! (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 08:12 am UTC (link)
	Great job exposing the bunch of hypocrites that the MPAA are. (Reply to this)

	Right on! (Anonymous) 2007-12-04 08:28 am UTC (link)
	Well done. Give 'em a taste of their own medicine! And about the language. I am an Ubuntu user and I love the friendly spirit. But seriously, those guys had it coming for a looong time. (Reply to this)

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